Keep in mind that what happens next depends on how this issue gets resolved and when. While it's in the court people and taxpayer groups can file amicus briefs opposed to any court finding in favor of Trump and his mutant sons and the Trump Org who are also plaintiff on this lawsuit. And they can bring up all of Trump's efforts to hide his tax returns from Congress too so they couldn't see all the unlawful emoluments he is receiving. And they could bring up the big award the state of NY won against him for tax and business records fraud. Also he lied to everyone that he couldn't release any of his returns because they were all under audit, knowing this was false. So defendants should challenge his damage award claims as false too. So the main issue is how hard and to what lengths the IRS and the government will go to defend against Trump's lawsuit? Will they rollover like expected or actually fight him all the way to the USSC if necessary. If the District Court rules in his favor will they appeal that ruling? Once this case gets resolved, I doubt anyone can change the results by filing another lawsuit. The fight to keep taxpayer money out of the Trump's family is now. Personally I would like to see one of the large DC taxpayer rights organizations get into this fight to pretact all taxpayers from this tyrant.
In response to my concerns of how he could get around the UR tort claim process, apparently Tax disputes can by statute.
26 U.S. Code § 7431, which allows taxpayers to seek civil damages for the unauthorized inspection or disclosure of returns and return information.
US Code 7431 doesn't cover whether a taxpayer (Has Trump ever paid taxes?) can sue the government for unauthorized disclosure of a tax return or only sue the person who made the disclosure.
Well first we'll have to see if he can get this money. I'm not sure who would have standing to sue. It would have to be a massive class of US taxpayers. But if nobody seems to care about him getting that $400 million plane from Qatar and the government spending maybe that much or more to retrofit it for Trump's use and probable ownership, that's an issue that should concern taxpayers right now.
I'm also wondering how Trump is able to get around the US Court of Tort Claims to sue the government? Because suits like this must go thru that court first where the payout is usually minimal or declined allowing him to sue the Fed government. It's the process of first seeking administrative relief.
I'm not, either, but there was a time when I considered it and did take a few classes. Even researched my own divorce and did it myself as well as have managed to settle to my advantage in several employer and landlord disputes in the past. Even though my comments are by no means me saying, I know what is going to happen, what I feel might be an outcome possibility from the law I have researched in the past and know about have often helped me see the possibilities most of the time. The Law Libraries I was able to access were great for resources.
I'm not sure he'd have much of a tiny leg to stand on in this case. There are several videos where he swore to the American people that he would release them. If he'd planned to release them, anyway, which he kept insisting he was, then couldn't the court find against him? We, as taxpayers, can countersue for lying in order to gain a position of power which he then has used to make himself richer at taxpayer's expense? I think we do need to do that. As was already said, break him once and for all. He should also get fined for a frivolous lawsuit since he had promised to release them anyway and the person who actually leaked them has been through the system and is paying his own price. Seems like another of trump's ploys where he wants to bully the other into just giving in and settling. Becoming a billionaire by using frivolous lawsuits and bullying does not a good businessman make. It does, however, make a grifter.
If memory serves me right when the Democrats had control of the House under Trump's first term they tried to get his tax returns but were blocked in doing so by his Treasury Secretary. But the real problem is there seems to be no law enforcement statute for both emoluments clauses. So Trump's been allowed to take the oath of office twice unlawfully in willful violation of both of those clauses. That should not have happened because it opens the door for even more corruption. In a functioning congress, the Ways and Means committee should have had access to his tax returns to they could determine which foreign emoluments if any he could accept. So not only did Trump get away with his unlawfulness taking foreign and domestic emoluments but he effectively blocked Congress from doing their lawful oversight of this violations. And the same continues into his second term at a more alarming pace.
His oath of office was violated when he was taking it. The only remedy is impeachment. Although maybe a civil suit could undo all the corrupt actions he's taken but that's a really tough suit to win because there isn't any precedent for one like that.
To someone who claimed what he promised was enough to sue him that won't work either. Anything involving almost every taxpayer as a group of plaintiffs is something most law firms can't handle. It's just too massive and unlikely to prevail. Also the immunity ruling would likely be a defense.
Yes, it's enough for impeachment but his corrupt actions also need to be undone by a civil suit. Also he should have been barred from taking the oath of office by an injunction until he divested from all his emolument producing income sources or put them into a blind trust. My issue is the Dems and others didn't do enough to stop this corruption before it became a reality.
"The Norm That Worked Until it Didn't" You say the clown "claimed enormous losses." You might phrase this better by saying he overstated his losses. He has consistently lost money his whole life, whether it was parts of his inheritance, all the businesses that failed, or his six personal bankruptcies. What saves him from being a skid row loser is the fact that he is a thief.
How can something be called “Great” if it is over run with graft, racism, and controlled and backed by immoral, greedy and not very intelligent people?
He's suing the IRS and the DOJ because he needs to step up his draining of the taxpayer's coffers before he's ceremonially dumped out of the WH and into prison where he belongs. I believe he's already paid his protection bribe to Argentina, the country that hid and nurtured nazi war criminals such as Mengela and others of his ilk: Adolf Eichmann, a key architect of the Holocaust; Josef Schwammberger, an SS commandant of several forced labor camps in Poland, known for his ;Gerhard Bohne, an SS officer who handled the administrative logistics of the euthanasia program, which systematically killed people with mental and physical disabilities; and there were others. Trump needs to remember on thing: Most of them eventually ended up being caught and brought to justice.
I am not one bit surprised. I don't imagine anyone else is either. Surely everyone knows by now what a sneaky liar and cheat he is. And (yeah, I know you aren't supposed to start a sentence with the word 'and'), we all know what COWARDS Congress (men and women) are. Where we all go from here, when there seems to be no way of stopping him, really, really saddens me and breaks my heart; the thought of what is in store for the coming generations. Oh, I know he won't live that long, but his followers will. If he dies in office, Vance will take over. By then, who knows if we will even have elections, and if we do, will they be fair? They are working towards being unfair now. Other dictatorships have elections, but the same guy keeps winning. I know the people are not really voting for those leaders any more than I believe a majority of this Country voted for trump.
Not being a lawyer can a massive class action lawsuit be filed against Trump cheating taxpayers this costing them money to make up for his theft?
Say $1000 for each person of company that paid taxes ?
That should break this turd once and for ALL
Keep in mind that what happens next depends on how this issue gets resolved and when. While it's in the court people and taxpayer groups can file amicus briefs opposed to any court finding in favor of Trump and his mutant sons and the Trump Org who are also plaintiff on this lawsuit. And they can bring up all of Trump's efforts to hide his tax returns from Congress too so they couldn't see all the unlawful emoluments he is receiving. And they could bring up the big award the state of NY won against him for tax and business records fraud. Also he lied to everyone that he couldn't release any of his returns because they were all under audit, knowing this was false. So defendants should challenge his damage award claims as false too. So the main issue is how hard and to what lengths the IRS and the government will go to defend against Trump's lawsuit? Will they rollover like expected or actually fight him all the way to the USSC if necessary. If the District Court rules in his favor will they appeal that ruling? Once this case gets resolved, I doubt anyone can change the results by filing another lawsuit. The fight to keep taxpayer money out of the Trump's family is now. Personally I would like to see one of the large DC taxpayer rights organizations get into this fight to pretact all taxpayers from this tyrant.
In response to my concerns of how he could get around the UR tort claim process, apparently Tax disputes can by statute.
26 U.S. Code § 7431, which allows taxpayers to seek civil damages for the unauthorized inspection or disclosure of returns and return information.
US Code 7431 doesn't cover whether a taxpayer (Has Trump ever paid taxes?) can sue the government for unauthorized disclosure of a tax return or only sue the person who made the disclosure.
Well first we'll have to see if he can get this money. I'm not sure who would have standing to sue. It would have to be a massive class of US taxpayers. But if nobody seems to care about him getting that $400 million plane from Qatar and the government spending maybe that much or more to retrofit it for Trump's use and probable ownership, that's an issue that should concern taxpayers right now.
I'm also wondering how Trump is able to get around the US Court of Tort Claims to sue the government? Because suits like this must go thru that court first where the payout is usually minimal or declined allowing him to sue the Fed government. It's the process of first seeking administrative relief.
Thanks as I said I’m not a lawyer just hoping someone with the knowledge could lead the way if it was doable
I'm not, either, but there was a time when I considered it and did take a few classes. Even researched my own divorce and did it myself as well as have managed to settle to my advantage in several employer and landlord disputes in the past. Even though my comments are by no means me saying, I know what is going to happen, what I feel might be an outcome possibility from the law I have researched in the past and know about have often helped me see the possibilities most of the time. The Law Libraries I was able to access were great for resources.
I'm not sure he'd have much of a tiny leg to stand on in this case. There are several videos where he swore to the American people that he would release them. If he'd planned to release them, anyway, which he kept insisting he was, then couldn't the court find against him? We, as taxpayers, can countersue for lying in order to gain a position of power which he then has used to make himself richer at taxpayer's expense? I think we do need to do that. As was already said, break him once and for all. He should also get fined for a frivolous lawsuit since he had promised to release them anyway and the person who actually leaked them has been through the system and is paying his own price. Seems like another of trump's ploys where he wants to bully the other into just giving in and settling. Becoming a billionaire by using frivolous lawsuits and bullying does not a good businessman make. It does, however, make a grifter.
Any thing to buy time on the Epstein crap
If memory serves me right when the Democrats had control of the House under Trump's first term they tried to get his tax returns but were blocked in doing so by his Treasury Secretary. But the real problem is there seems to be no law enforcement statute for both emoluments clauses. So Trump's been allowed to take the oath of office twice unlawfully in willful violation of both of those clauses. That should not have happened because it opens the door for even more corruption. In a functioning congress, the Ways and Means committee should have had access to his tax returns to they could determine which foreign emoluments if any he could accept. So not only did Trump get away with his unlawfulness taking foreign and domestic emoluments but he effectively blocked Congress from doing their lawful oversight of this violations. And the same continues into his second term at a more alarming pace.
Still, as you say, he swore an oath to keep the Constitution and he has broken that oath, multiple times. That should be enough for impeachment.
His oath of office was violated when he was taking it. The only remedy is impeachment. Although maybe a civil suit could undo all the corrupt actions he's taken but that's a really tough suit to win because there isn't any precedent for one like that.
To someone who claimed what he promised was enough to sue him that won't work either. Anything involving almost every taxpayer as a group of plaintiffs is something most law firms can't handle. It's just too massive and unlikely to prevail. Also the immunity ruling would likely be a defense.
Yes, it's enough for impeachment but his corrupt actions also need to be undone by a civil suit. Also he should have been barred from taking the oath of office by an injunction until he divested from all his emolument producing income sources or put them into a blind trust. My issue is the Dems and others didn't do enough to stop this corruption before it became a reality.
"And Congress let him." Enough said. What is wrong here?
Congress is cowardly? Congress doesn't care because they have a stake in it? Congress thinks it's OK? Whatever the answer, it is shameful!
Can he show that he was damaged? And if he was, how much?
The Fapweasel (Trump) is a narcissist. He doesn’t suffer emotional harm. He lies like a rug!
"The Norm That Worked Until it Didn't" You say the clown "claimed enormous losses." You might phrase this better by saying he overstated his losses. He has consistently lost money his whole life, whether it was parts of his inheritance, all the businesses that failed, or his six personal bankruptcies. What saves him from being a skid row loser is the fact that he is a thief.
If reason prevails his lawsuit will be dismissed.
How can something be called “Great” if it is over run with graft, racism, and controlled and backed by immoral, greedy and not very intelligent people?
He's suing the IRS and the DOJ because he needs to step up his draining of the taxpayer's coffers before he's ceremonially dumped out of the WH and into prison where he belongs. I believe he's already paid his protection bribe to Argentina, the country that hid and nurtured nazi war criminals such as Mengela and others of his ilk: Adolf Eichmann, a key architect of the Holocaust; Josef Schwammberger, an SS commandant of several forced labor camps in Poland, known for his ;Gerhard Bohne, an SS officer who handled the administrative logistics of the euthanasia program, which systematically killed people with mental and physical disabilities; and there were others. Trump needs to remember on thing: Most of them eventually ended up being caught and brought to justice.
I am not one bit surprised. I don't imagine anyone else is either. Surely everyone knows by now what a sneaky liar and cheat he is. And (yeah, I know you aren't supposed to start a sentence with the word 'and'), we all know what COWARDS Congress (men and women) are. Where we all go from here, when there seems to be no way of stopping him, really, really saddens me and breaks my heart; the thought of what is in store for the coming generations. Oh, I know he won't live that long, but his followers will. If he dies in office, Vance will take over. By then, who knows if we will even have elections, and if we do, will they be fair? They are working towards being unfair now. Other dictatorships have elections, but the same guy keeps winning. I know the people are not really voting for those leaders any more than I believe a majority of this Country voted for trump.
And who is actually suing Trump for this tax evasion?
TRUMP WAS RIGHT!
Fact check: 53 times Trump said he could end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours or even before physically taking office.
BUT HE PURPOSELY CHOSE NOT TO.
Instead, He chose to go to war or threaten war in other places - to include our own cities.
Riddle that, will you?!?!?!?